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Dell responds to return-to-office resistance with VPN, badge tracking, and color-coding of employees (arstechnica.com)

After reversing its position on remote work, Dell is reportedly implementing new tracking techniques on May 13 to ensure its workers are following the company’s return-to-office (RTO) policy, The Register reported today, citing anonymous sources....

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You can tell how important working from the office is by the fact that they can’t tell whether or not people are working from the office.

Maybe people need to start talking about unionizing while in the office.

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The government certainly does have the right to protect citizens and make whatever laws are necessary. In this case, the government can do so by amending the constitution. Until then, the 1st Amendment applies to all citizens, non-citizens, and business entities operating in the United States.

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Criticizing the Israel government is okay (until our government outlaws it at least). Suggesting the people of Israel are some special kind of corrupt is not okay. Our corruption is our own.

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IP law is all about telling people what they can’t create.

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And blackjack?

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Not always. As John Carmack said:

The idea that I can be presented with a problem, set out to logically solve it with the tools at hand, and wind up with a program that could not be legally used because someone else followed the same logical steps some years ago and filed for a patent on it is horrifying.

Many people have created things entirely from their own mind, and then find that they’re violating IP law.

Even things like Calculus were invented simultaneously in different parts of the world. I mean, think about it, Calculus allows us to solve all kinds of problem that humankind had spent thousands of years thinking about and being unable to solve. Then, independently, in separate parts of the world 2 people invent / discover Calculus around the same time. If world wide IP law had existed, it might swoop in and tell one of them their thoughts were not legal.

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Birds aren’t real according to sources that make claims that birds aren’t real.

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Karma.

The young treat the old however they do. But then the young grow old and get treated the same.

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Yeah, parents are getting ruined by social media algorithms too.

Our government seems to be moving towards an “we only care about the children, but everyone, including adults, upload your government papers” approach.

Y’all got any of those protections for adults? I remember reading regulations that companies couldn’t show children advertisements. Can I have some of that regulation too?

I just can’t stop being cynical that there is little focus on homeless or underpaid adults, or other adult issues, but the one problem we’re focused on just so happens to include everyone giving up anonymity on the Internet.

We do need to help kids with social media, but there’s a lot of other challenges they will soon face as adults that were ignoring.

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It’s been a couple decades since I worked in a call center (tech support).

Are they still dominated by shitty ticketing systems that employees are expected to fill out while being on the call? I don’t know if that was just an oddity of the call center I worked for or not. If I didn’t fill out a ticket correctly we wouldn’t get paid for the tech support, so management would get real upset if you didn’t fill out a ticket correctly. There were like 400 fields to fill out in a ticket and you had to fill out about 15 of them just right; fill out one too many, or one too few, or the wrong one and management is upset.

Honestly, language models would do better filling out those tickets than they would handling the call. If an AI can’t fill out the ticket, how can it solve an actual problem? It would sure make life for the call center employees better if all they had to do was talk instead of managing a bunch of tickets and paperwork using shitty internal apps. But who am I kidding. They’ll probably find a way to make life worse for the customers and the call center employees and they’ll make a profit, because that’s how free markets work, right? Whoever makes life worse for everyone prospers.

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It lists the foreign adversaries, they aren’t just made up on a whim. Iran, N. Korea, China, Russia.

Where is WhatsApp based?

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A neat programming project would be to migrate YouTube videos to PeerTube for content creators. If a YouTuber decides to put their videos on PeerTube as well, it should be as easy as possible.

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Programmer pay is so bizarre, it makes me cynical about our entire economy.

If I’m a blue-collar worker maintaining the wires between banks, I get paid little. If I’m a programmer maintaining the banking software that controls everyone’s money and is essential to the entire nation, I’m paid a little more, but not as much as some programmers.

If I’m a young man who creates a webpage that barely works venture capitalists are tripping over themselves trying to shove millions of dollars into my hands.

(Although, creating a webpage was the hot thing last decade, now the hot thing is creating an AI.)

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Video games were such a wild west back in the 80s and 90s that it’s often not clear who even owns the copyright anymore.

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I’ve always wondered what would happen if ByteDance sells TikTok for $5 to a US Citizen who frequently visits China for lavish vacations, and that US Citizen decide to keep all the algorithms the same.

If China has an ulterior motive with TIkTok, can’t they just find a US Citizen to carry out their ulterior motive?

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If TikTok’s purpose is to spread Chinese propaganda, can’t they just find a US Citizen that can run the website for them?

“Yeah, it’s my personal website where I exercise my 1st Amendment rights, also it has 100 million daily users and I happen to agree with China on a lot of things.” If a US Citizen were to say this, there would be nothing illegal about it I think?

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Okay, but I’m more interested in intra-legal reasons this couldn’t be done.

I’m sure they could find 2, 3, or 3000 US Citizens who are willing to sell out to China, and then TikTok would be owned by US Citizens, but would still be doing what China wants.

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Why don’t they just sell TikTok to a US Citizen who happens to believe TikTok should remain the same?

TikTok would remain exactly the same, with the exact same algorithms, but it would then be the free speech of a US Citizen so everyone would be happy. Maybe TikTok couldn’t send the data directly to China anymore, but they could certainly sell personal data on the shadowy data markets, just like every other US owned tech company does, and if that data happens to find its way to China then 🤷 .

Shell companies hide the true owner of companies all the time. Why can’t TikTok do the same?

The problem is they targeted TikTok specifically in the law and it will be easy to circumvent. “TikTok is banned, but check out this totally new website called TokTik with the exact same content but owned by a US Citizen”.

This is why they should have created regulations that apply to all companies. Because making regulations that depend on who owns the company will only cause TikTok to change the technicality of who owns the company. They can do so through all kinds of legal tricks without ever actually giving up control.

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If ByteDance is a normal company they will seek profits and sell for as much as they can.

But if TikTok is a Chinese psyop, they’ll just use any of the many legal tricks we allow to change the “owner” while China still retains control. Companies do this all the time, look at shell companies and such. It’s super easy for China to mask the true owner if they decide to.

This is why we should make broadly applicable regulations instead of picking on one specific company.

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They can’t actually ban TikTok by name, it’s unconstitutional to make laws targeted at individuals.

The current law actually says “no company can operate in the US with over 20% owned by China, Iran, N. Korea, or Russia”, or something like that.

There’s a lot of people in the US and at least of few of them would be willing to run TikTok the same way, same algorithms, same content, and sell the users data on shadowy data markets (which China can surely get their hands on), etc. I’m repeating myself now.

Again, my point is there are a lot of people in the US and surely some of them can form a company willing to do what China wants, and isn’t that their right by our laws and morals of free speech? I know if things get heated enough laws and morals will be ignored (see Japanese internment camps).

And my even broader point is that this move against TikTok has ulterior motives. We should have created regulations that apply to all companies instead of targeting TikTok specifically. Even though we didn’t technically target TikTok specifically, we effectively did.

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I see. You’re right about the text of the law. Thanks for taking the time to post that.

I would say it violates the 1st Amendment then. US Citizens have a right to say what they want, which includes saying what China wants if that is what the person wants.

The courts will have to decide.

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I’ve also heard the data is physically stored and hosted by Oracle. So maybe China just copies it? The primary copy is in the US currently. Which doesn’t really mean much.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Meta’s data ended up in China too. But Congress isn’t targeting them.

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They could even own a President. Unheard of! /s

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You’ve made the most substantive comments in this post. Especially quoting the law and this information about Facebook.

For context, Facebook’s revenue in 2019 was 70 billions dollars. So a 5 billion dollar fine isn’t nothing. Everyone can judge these bans and fines for themselves and judge whether there’s a double standard though.

You seem upset because I said TikTok stores their data in Oracle, but that’s what they said in 2022. www.cnn.com/2022/06/17/tech/…/index.html But, as you say, it appears in 2018 they were storing their data in China, and presumably that continued up until mid-2022.

I’m not a shill, but I am a cynic who believes the government is acting on behalf of their corporate friends (US media companies) rather than on general principles. I have no love for China. I wanted regulation that applied equally to all US companies. If you don’t want to talk to me, fine, I’ll discuss my opinion with others; even so, you’ve shared a lot of important and concrete information here, so thanks again.

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I’ve been wondering the same.

What prevents a few US Citizens from forming a totally new and independent company called BitDance and then ByteDance sells them TikTok for $3.99, and then BitDance hires a company from China to help consult on the algorithms they use.

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All the public will have to do is type “tiktok.com” in their browser and their computer will connect to directly to servers in China. For now, they don’t even need a VPN.

Then our politicians will start discussing a national firewall. We’ll show that we’re better than China by doing the same things China would do (/s).

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It wont work either, there’s so many legal tricks that can change the owner of a company without actually changing who controls the company.

“TikTok was evil and controlled by China, so we banned it. Oh look, here’s a totally new website called TokTik owned by a US Citizen named Mr. ILoveChina who built a TikTok replacement in 15 minutes by hiring foreign consultants for 2 cents an hour.”

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If China really is using TikTok for psyops, then they will refused to sell, flood TikTok with anti-government sentiment for its remaining days, and then direct people to just use the TikTok website hosted in China (is our government going to start blocking access to websites too?).

One silver line here is “the youths” will learn, in an unusually clear way, that the government effects their lives and can screw up their lives.

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TikTok’s American data is already hosted on Oracle servers. Has been for awhile.

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What’s the security issue? That China has personal information about millions of Americans?

Who doesn’t have personal information about millions of Americans these days?

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The people are helpless lemming that mindlessly follow the algorithm, am I right?

Is free speech a moral principle we believe in? I know the Constitution doesn’t apply to everyone in the world, which is why I’m asking whether we believe in it morally, not legally.

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I can understand your frustration. I currently feel that way towards a certain political party, but I have to keep an open mind because things change.

For example, I don’t doubt what you said Democrats was true in past decades, but today I believe the Democrats are more friendly towards LGBT rights than Republicans are. It appears things have changed on those specific issues.

Maybe we wont agree, but let’s at lets at least find clarity: Do you believe Republicans or Democrats are currently more friendly towards LGBT people?

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All fair criticisms of Democrats in my opinion.

The only thing I have a problem with is your “never vote Democrat” rule. You do you, but I believe voting in a way that will most help LGBT people, and most help women’s reproductive rights, etc–I believe that if you want to cast votes that most support those causes, it will sometimes require voting for a Democrat.

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Also, to get that clarity I was seeking. Do you:

  1. Recommend people vote for Democrats (sounds like no).
  2. Recommend people vote for Republicans.
  3. Recommend people vote for third-parties or not vote at all.

These are the only 3 possibilities. Which are you?

For example, if you believe that Republicans are better for LGBT issues, then I want to hear you say it: “I think Republicans are better on LGBT issues”. I have my own opinion on this which I will keep to myself, I really just want you to be clear about your view and then let everyone judge for themselves what they think is right.

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Earlier you said:

i’m permanently anti democrat party

and I read that as “I will never vote democrat”. I see now that’s not what you said.

I too would love to see us do better than the two deeply flawed parties we have now. I wish we had a better voting system that allowed better parties.

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I get you, but asking people to participate in democracy is not “weaponization”, and I’m 100% okay with popular figures, even from other countries, telling people how to vote, because who doesn’t tell people how to vote these days?

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Bipartisan support is only rare when it comes to things like giving healthcare to the poor.

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As an programmer, I want to think out loud about possible technical solutions.

I would have kept the understandable / hand-made algorithm as the core of search results. If you want to do fancy machine learning, do it on the periphery and we can include the machine output in our algorithm and weight its importance by hand. This would allow us to back out of the decision, because we could lower the weight of the machine learning output as needed.

It sounds like Google jumped strait to including the machine learning in the core algorithm though, and now with a decade of complexity in the core algorithm they are no longer able to go back without huge effort.

In general, it’s important to consider “is this a decision we can easily back out of?”.

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What do you mean? The miracle of encryption means any two servers can establish secure communication, and MITM is not possible. The hard part is knowing that the server you’re connecting to is the right one.

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And it just makes no sense.

The courts are supposed to be a higher authority than personal agreements, so how can a personal agreement override the courts?

Google fires 28 employees after protest over Israel cloud contract (www.theverge.com)

Google fired 28 employees in connection with sit-in protests at two of its offices this week, according to an internal memo obtained by The Verge. The firings come after 9 employees were suspended and then arrested in New York and California on Tuesday....

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Criticizing the Israeli government is fine, but criticizing an entire ethnic / religious group, like the Jews, as though they are one unified group is not fair.

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the hell does TikTok now have to do with any of it?

Military spending bills will benefit the military industrial complex, and banning TikTok will benefit the military industrial complex.

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Giving bombs to Israel without condition is a… 6 point story I think

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Outlawing it is a very dangerous aim, because outlawing it completely will enable other countries to out-compete us, and a outlawing it completely is right next to “outlaw it for normal people, but allow companies to exploit it for profit” on the dart board of possibilities.

Better path all around is “allow everyone to use AI and establish strong social safety nets and move towards enabling people to work less”.

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Didn’t know I’d have to drink a verification can just to turn on the TV

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